GoldenEye 007 Nintendo 64 Community, GoldenEye X, Nintendo 64 Games Discussion

[Kode-Z]

It appears that in 2000, Rare were working on JFG for the GameBoy Color.

Anyone heard about this before?

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25307

[Wreck]

No, I didn't know that JFG made it to any other system than the N64.

On a side note, I see people are requesting that the owner make a dump and put it up for users to download freely, which he doesn't want to do. While I understand his side of things, I would have no problem doing so. If I stumbled across a beta copy of GE with various elements not present in the final release, I'd want to make a dump and send it to everyone who is interested in seeing it. Let us study it, rip it apart, play the hell out of it. I'd have (what might be known as) the only physical copy of the game to have ever been made public, so that still makes it highly valuable - whether you can download it or not. But it's too big to sit on and keep from the world. People would deserve to see it for themselves, and not just pictures and video. Even if it means the value drops from five thousand dollars to ten dollars, forcing me to live on the street for a month, I'd still do it.
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[Dragonsbrethren]

Yeah, me too. There are some good guys out there though, and lots of games have gotten dumped as a result of their efforts. Personally, I find protos fascinating, even the ones without a lot of changes from the final version. In terms of monetary value though, I don't think they're worth the amount they tend to sell for. That said, if I copy of GE ever did surface, I'd do as much as I could to make sure we were able to get it.

[radorn]

Yeah, I saw that some time ago. Personally I don't care much about a GBC proto, but yeah, if it was me who had it, I would dump and share, but then again I don't have the kind of money to buy these, and frankly, if I did have it, I'm not sure I would spend it in such exclusive and expensive things.
Of course I love this whole proto/beta/unreleased thing, while at the same time I hate it because of how frustrating it is.

The whole proto market is a rather closed circle for people with LOTS of cash. The ammounts that are paid for these are outrageous, and the people who collect them just sit on them... it's a collection after all, the purpose of it is to hoard them and have the most sought after items. It really infuriates me.
I try to keep myself away from reading too much beta info because I end with a depression out of impotence. To think about how much ultra cool beta stuff is out there (not just games, but hardware too) that we will probably never see is too much to take when you love it so much.

I'm aware of the "ilegality" of this kind of thing (since you could have to face large and powerful corporations in court) and also that sometimes releasing things have you kicked out of the club because other collectors see releases as a damage to "their property" and will refuse to deal with you again. This all makes me even more angry, all these snobs.
It's all too nasty.

In a certain sense, the cost of all/most of these developments have been paid with money from consumers. Maybe not in the case of games developped by small companies and stuff like that, but in the case of successful, big companies like Nintendo and Sony you can safely say that you have paid for these games to be made, and in a certain sense (not shared by the capitalist mentality), you should be given reasonable access to these beta materials within a certain prudential time, at least in the case of protos of commercially released games.

I can see a sense for not releasing things like cancelled projects that could have an opportunity to be remade in a future, for other platforms or whatever, but I have a very hard time accepting that you are not only not offered access to betas of released games, but also kept away from them by force.

And what to say about development kits? Nintendo no longer makes games for platforms prior to the DS and Wii, in fact I think they don't even offer licenses for development for these platforms anymore. I'm not even sure they allow for GBA development anymore. They are known for recalling development hardware and software at the end of life of their systems, and most of it is destroyed/recycled.
They do this because they want to keep control over their platforms. They don't want people releasing software for earlier consoles, as they see it as a potential lost of sales for their current platforms.

It's all so dirty. I love (or used to love) Nintendo's stuff, but they are a bunch of bastards in many many ways.

Lukily, as DB said, there are some generous fellows arround that sometimes release something, but that represents just a very small fraction of the whole prototype "scene". It's even a minuscule fraction of the publicly KNOWN (well, you know, info floating arround, not necesarily talked much about), but the UNDERGROUND part of all this is so huge you wouldn't believe it.

To get your hands into some stuff, you have to have loads of cash, not only to pay for the goods, but also to GO meet the seller, and you also need contacts. In some cases it's like smuggling. There are people that travel to Japan and other places just to meet with the seller of these things, sometimes through a contact.
Makes it all seem as if you have to be 007 to enter these circles...

EDIT: I also wanted to comment on a somewhat new trend which are community releases. This is, you contribute money to buy a prototype and have it dumped. In this cases it's not quite clear where the physical artifact ends up after dumping. That's ok, I guess, but then there are some people that sell just the dump. They take the money, keep the proto and hand out a dump to someone to distribute... This second modality is rather of dodgy IMHO, because these dumps are not cheap either. Hundreds (even thousands) of dollars or euros.

[Soopaweirdo]

...I couldn't ever see Jet Force Gemini on that crap of a portable gaming device. Come to think of it, I have never thought of Perfect Dark to be on it either, but they did it...

[EternallyAries]

You dont like GBC Soopaweirdo?
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[radorn]

he's super weird after all
I find his bashing on it quite rude and innecessary
one thing is not liking it and other thing is calling it crap

[EternallyAries]

Yup and the other thing i don't like vary much about Soopaweirdo.

He needs to watch what he is saying on the forums. there are younger user to.
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