GoldenEye 007 Nintendo 64 Community, GoldenEye X, Nintendo 64 Games Discussion

[sumbodyshero]

OK so i'm done remaking the music from Frigate. Just go to my myspace at http://www.myspace.com/aaronwomack and listen to "Monte Carlo". It kicks ass from here to San Jose. I didn't include the X track, because it was rubbish, frankly; but I do know that some of them are good and I really want to remake those, but Frigate X was just kind of not doing it for me. But anyways, cha cha cheeeeeck it out!

[TAKA Michinoku9.1]

That was great another awesome song
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"For over 30 Years the IRA showed that the British Government could not rule Ireland on its on terms. You asserted the right of the people of this island to freedom and independance, many of your comrades have paid the ultimate sacrafice in order to bring the freedom struggle forward towards its obtainment."
Gerry Adams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3AEgStKvE

[radorn]

I don't really like this musical style, the sound is too "empty".
Anyway, I listened to both goldeneye arrangements in your myspace and I liked the main part of the runway cover, the one with "fuller" sound.

[sumbodyshero]

radorn wrote:

I don't really like this musical style, the sound is too "empty". Anyway, I listened to both goldeneye arrangements in your myspace and I liked the main part of the runway cover, the one with "fuller" sound.

I have made sure that the note data is virtually flawless, so there's nothing from the original theme that's not in my remix. I did change a thing here or there, but not much, so if you don't like the song then Grant, Graeme, and Robin are the ones to tell.

[radorn]

man... I mean no offense you but I think you are saying nonsense.

When you make remix/re-arrangement of a given piece, you are ovbiously making changes, be it in the melody itself, which you say you didn't and I never questioned, the instruments used, or oh so many other aspects. If you did not, it would be the exact same music, and it could not be told apart.

I think it's a little pretentions on your behalf to say that if I like the originals I'm bound to like your version just because what ever reason you give.
For the record: I like the originals, and I also like other arrangements I stumbled upon over the years, but I don't like yours. I'ts done in a style that doesn't please me.
If that's such a a problem for you... well, it's your problem, man. Don't give me lame pretentious excuses.
It should be enough satisfaction for you if you liked what you did. If someone else likes it, it's a plus, but not everyone is going to like it. Live with it.
If you can't stand that, then keep it for yourself and don't show it to anybody. Not that I'm really saying that you must do it. TAKA liked it, and possibly others too. They may be happy to listen more of your remixes, but I did not like them so far.

[sumbodyshero]

radorn wrote:

man... I mean no offense you but I think you are saying nonsense. When you make remix/re-arrangement of a given piece, you are ovbiously making changes, be it in the melody itself, which you say you didn't and I never questioned, the instruments used, or oh so many other aspects. If you did not, it would be the exact same music, and it could not be told apart. I think it's a little pretentions on your behalf to say that if I like the originals I'm bound to like your version just because what ever reason you give. For the record: I like the originals, and I also like other arrangements I stumbled upon over the years, but I don't like yours. I'ts done in a style that doesn't please me. If that's such a a problem for you... well, it's your problem, man. Don't give me lame pretentious excuses. It should be enough satisfaction for you if you liked what you did. If someone else likes it, it's a plus, but not everyone is going to like it. Live with it. If you can't stand that, then keep it for yourself and don't show it to anybody. Not that I'm really saying that you must do it. TAKA liked it, and possibly others too. They may be happy to listen more of your remixes, but I did not like them so far.

Dude. I never said any of what you are saying. When someone posts something they've done to further the world of Goldeneye, don't comment on it saying it's rubbish. I played by ear and know that the melody is dead on. Listen for yourself. I don't see what's so empty about bass, piano, keyboard, guitar and drums, all at about 140 beats per minute. I'm not gonna hide work that I've done for fear of you complaining about it. It's called "If you don't have anything nice to say, shut your mouth." I learned that in like... kindergarten, Dude. There's nothing "empty" (and i have no idea who you were quoting) about the song. It's the same song as the original but with different instruments. If you don't like something then don't listen and keep it to yourself. This forum should be positive and constructive. Calling one song "empty" and another one "full" is just being negative, not constructive.

[radorn]

sumbodyshero wrote:

When someone posts something they've done to further the world of Goldeneye, don't comment on it saying it's rubbish.

I didn't say rubbish or any possible synonim. I just said I did not like it, and tried to explain why.

sumbodyshero wrote:

I played by ear and know that the melody is dead on.

Again, I never questioned accuracy. I agree that the melody is correct. You did not even make many modifications to it, all right.
But that has nothing to do with what I said.

sumbodyshero wrote:

Listen for yourself.

I did.

sumbodyshero wrote:

I don't see what's so empty about bass, piano, keyboard, guitar and drums, all at about 140 beats per minute.

well, that's just my personal apreciation (it's surprising that I have to even make this observation), and the best description I could come up then. It's not that it lacks a given "track" or beat or anything like that, but it just sounds "emty" to me. The sounds don't quite mix well in my ears. Sorry I can't explain it better.

sumbodyshero wrote:

I'm not gonna hide work that I've done for fear of you complaining about it.

I already told you that I was not recommending it. just a suggestion in case my "criticism" was too heavy of a load. which is what I suspected given your response. Its good to hear that such is not the case.

sumbodyshero wrote:

It's called "If you don't have anything nice to say, shut your mouth." I learned that in like... kindergarten, Dude.

Kindergarten it's not the right time of a person's life to be learning philosophy. You will most surely won't understand the real point of it and internally convert it in a meme or solgan and apply it indiscriminatelly.
But that was not your fault, as others decided for you then and you had not the ability to question it.
Now that this is on the table, it'd be actually your fault not to question it.

sumbodyshero wrote:

There's nothing "empty" (and i have no idea who you were quoting) about the song.

I'm not "quoting" anyone, I prefer to speak by myself and use the best expressions I can come up with to transmit my thoughts, and not necessarily use other peoples phrases. I encourage everyone to do that too.
If you don't understood what I said you would do better in saying so, and I could try to explain it some other way.

sumbodyshero wrote:

It's the same song as the original but with different instruments.

Then, if that's how you condensate the differences between the songs, I'll have to say that I don't like the result of that new instrument selection, though I'd say there are a good deal of other elements that converge to create that result.

sumbodyshero wrote:

If you don't like something then don't listen and keep it to yourself. This forum should be positive and constructive.

oh, now I'm destructive... impressive conclusion.
This is a public forum, so when you post something it's out in the wild and people can opine as long as they don't cross the barrier of agression and insult. I just said I did not like the songs and tried ti explain why. I also said there was a part of one of them I did like.

sumbodyshero wrote:

Calling one song "empty" and another one "full" is just being negative, not constructive.

Now you are becoming a little inconsistent here.
First you repeatedly say you don't know what I mean by "empty" and "full" but now you find that you have enough base to say that I'm being "negative" using those words...
By the way:
the opposite of negative is positive, and the opposite of constructive is destructive, and that's more than clever wordplay.
I haven't been either negative nor destructive.
To be honest neither I have been too constructive, but that's not a crime.
But I have been definitelly positive. Look:
I positively affirmed that I did not like the songs and positively exposed my reasons for it. Not a good exposition? maybe, but that was the best I could come up with then. I expected you would make what I meant out. For once I make a brief post and look what happens...

EDIT: Just a quick note.
From now on I'll be sure to refrain from saying anything about anything you post unless it is to praise it, so you won't have to worry about me anymore.

[Wreck]

sumbodyshero wrote:

If you don't like something then don't listen and keep it to yourself.

Two points I feel as though I should make...

a)That's a contradictive statement. How can you not like something, yet haven't listened to it? Radorn listened to your tracks, gave them a chance, and decided that he didn't care much for them.

b) Welcome to the world of music. People will judge every song, dissect every beat, and rip you apart. Even the most popular musicians in history have suffered terrible reviews. And it isn't just their work, it's their lifestyle. Those who can't take it, shouldn't be in the business. Not everyone is going to enjoy your work, that's a given. We all have different ears and separate tastes. Artists need some of the thickest skins of anybody. You just need to shake off the bad, and cherish the good. That's the only way to stay happy and stable.

And to be honest, I'm not huge on the GoldenEye cover tracks, either. It's the instruments that you've used, nothing to do with the melody or anything else. It sounds synthetic and electronic, which I know can be hard to avoid with certain programs. Monte Carlo I didn't really care for, but some of the Arkangelsk theme I did enjoy. I liked the piano sections in the Dam and Runway a lot, as well as the way your merged all three songs together. But in general, I'm not a fan of that particular sound. And when you have an original to compare it to, it makes it even more open to critiscm. I'm sure Radorn feels the way I do, in this situation.

You obviously have some musical talent, so don't let two bums like us get you down.
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[TAKA Michinoku9.1]

It is a critical world you cannot impress everybody radorn was not trying to offend you i am sure it is good to hear good and bad about things you work on because then you can learn from it some people suggested errors on my missions so i took it upon myself to look at it and when i learned how to fix it I promptly did criticism is not bad when you learn from it trust me if it is someone being offensive you need to think of it as jealousy which means you have something to be jealous of.
I hope I have helped you understand and made you feel better about it I tried my best.
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"We have always found the Irish a bit odd, They refuse to be English" Winston Churchill

"For over 30 Years the IRA showed that the British Government could not rule Ireland on its on terms. You asserted the right of the people of this island to freedom and independance, many of your comrades have paid the ultimate sacrafice in order to bring the freedom struggle forward towards its obtainment."
Gerry Adams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3AEgStKvE

[sumbodyshero]

Look radorn, i was just saying to not be negative. I could sit here and dissect every little line of your post and say something about it too but that's just silly. All i was saying was that empty is not the correct term and to not be negative. If you make a level full of props and action blocks and guard, I'm not gonna call it empty, even if i don't care for it.

This thread was just to announce the song - a bulletin of sorts - otherwise no one will know to listen to it.

This forum should be a fun place about Goldeneye, so I'm not gonna have silly arguements about philosophy in Kindergarten. If you want to argue then send me a PM and I probably wont reply. It seems like you just want to argue till I give up so you can feel right. That would be silly. You and I don't know each other and might end up the best of friends - who knows - but creating drama is just going to make everyone upset.

I'm fine with people hating on me as a musician. It's publicity. People hate on Soulja Boy and leave him nasty comments but he gets 2 cents for every Youtube video view he gets, and 15 cents for every comment. He gets thousands of dollars for every video he posts because of all those nasty comments. Believe me I know how it goes, but thanks.

Like I said, I'm not checking this thread anymore, because I think this conversation is ridiculous. Stop being so dramatic and play some Goldeneye or something people lol. It's just a song. At first it was about defending myself when wrongfully accused, but now I don't even care because I'm not going to support arguements and negative/hostile attitudes on this forum. If anyone wants to hate, I challenge them to be a man and say it to the person's face (aka PMing) instead of cluttering this great forum with petty arguments and middle school drama.

Thanks for listening to the songs. Grant Kirkhope has told me personally that he thought they were great and so has David Clynick and that's enough for me. You can talk about me behind my back now if you want because I'm not checking this anymore. I've got too many other productive things to do. Peace, love and goodwill from sumbodyshero.

[radorn]

That sounds like a really great way of making money, Youtube's hate golds I mean. You should do that, yeah.

Just one question, I found something quite unclear in your post.
You challenge people to PM you AFTER saying that you won't be answering? mmmm, maybe I'm too SILLY, but I don't quite get it.

Peace, love and goodwill from you? after all this? you are really full of... mangnanimity, Sir, and NOT NEGATIVE AT ALL.

We love you man, please, don't abandon us.

[TAKA Michinoku9.1]

So because someone was being critical about your work you are leaving the forum i hate to say it but that is the way life is nowadays and radorn could have been a lot meaner.
sumbodyshero is a name that means that you don't really care abut what those who don't like your work think as long as you impress somebody, i am somebody
If you are leaving I wish you the best, but this sort of thing could stop you for the rest of your life criticism is very big in game designing and music development like Wreck said and if you cannot deal with it from a forum how would you deal with it from a producer who would be rude beyond belief if he did not like it same with video games they either like it or they throw you out the door its just the sad facts of things
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"We have always found the Irish a bit odd, They refuse to be English" Winston Churchill

"For over 30 Years the IRA showed that the British Government could not rule Ireland on its on terms. You asserted the right of the people of this island to freedom and independance, many of your comrades have paid the ultimate sacrafice in order to bring the freedom struggle forward towards its obtainment."
Gerry Adams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3AEgStKvE

[radorn]

Well, I don't think I was mean at all... maybe a bit tactless, but not mean or disrespective.

[TAKA Michinoku9.1]

I did not think it was mean either which is why i said about if he thinks that is mean there is a shock awaiting him with producers and guys like that because you can get a nice one (rarely) who might like your song and accept it but if they do not like it you are just wasting there time standing in front of them the world today is constant demand you either keep up or sink to the bottom even if you land one it is not enough you have to keep impressing them and the public or become yesterdays news.
Sad but true
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"We have always found the Irish a bit odd, They refuse to be English" Winston Churchill

"For over 30 Years the IRA showed that the British Government could not rule Ireland on its on terms. You asserted the right of the people of this island to freedom and independance, many of your comrades have paid the ultimate sacrafice in order to bring the freedom struggle forward towards its obtainment."
Gerry Adams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V3AEgStKvE

[Wreck]

I don't think he meant that he was leaving the forums. He's just no longer checking this specific thread, is all.
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