GoldenEye 007 Nintendo 64 Community, GoldenEye X, Nintendo 64 Games Discussion

[EternallyAries]

Thanks SubDrag glad you like the level.

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Thats what happens when Bond gets captured and Drugged never take weird vaccines

lol
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[Wreck]

Perhaps Bond got his hands on one of those magic mushrooms?
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[Trevor]

Great, thanks for the info on textures, I have a question but will ask in the other thread.

Ok, So if the textures are weird because of emulation then just leve them, don't make them bigger to get rid of the wierdness otherwise they will be giant and blurry things up close.

You could of cource set the graphics plugin to do some tri-linear filtering

About the bluryness of games, if they had engines like GE/PD/BK and the N64 had a bigger cache they would look a lot better.
Is it not down to the fact they are rendered at such a low resolution (pilotwings etc, Randorn remember the screen caps you posted) that the N64 has to then smudge them to take away jaggies.

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[radorn]

n64 can do trilinear mip-map interpolation (mip maps which are trilinear filtered and transitions between one and other can be smoothed out instead of being sudden). The muddyness is probably a mix of the low resolution, dithered 16bit display, the low res textures + filtering, and antialiasing of edges. Some games fare better than others in this so I guess there are differences between microcodes but also on how artists and graphics engineers/programmers were able to manage it.
All in all, I like n64's graphics, even with all it's "imperfections". In good hands the results are very pleasing, even if "lo-fi".

about stretching textures out to couter aliasing/moiree-patterning... you may be able to counter it on a PC by forcing stuff if you know how, but on the n64 things are a bit more fixed, you see. Even if the N64 does AA, it won't do quite enough of it to prevent moiree in a level like this unless the textures are stretched out a bit more.
When I get arround loading this in my n64 I'll try to show some example shots. I predict there will be a lot of moiree

[EternallyAries]

Well i just can't wait to see this level on a Nintendo 64 Radorn.

Maybe make a vid on the level to?
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[Wreck]

Had a chance to try this out, and I'm very impressed. Judging by the screenshots, I thought the level was going to be fairly small. I didn't realize how much more there was to it, never mind that you could actually climb all the way up to the top of the castle. Really nice stuff, Aries. I've added this to the "For Your Eyes Only" forum for better preservation.
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[EternallyAries]

Wow my vary 1st level in the "For Your Eyes Only" forums cool thanks Wreck.
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[radorn]

EternallyAries wrote:

Well i just can't wait to see this level on a Nintendo 64 Radorn. Maybe make a vid on the level to?

With this computer of mine, I don't think I'll be able to make reasonable quality video. It will have way too much framedropping.

[EternallyAries]

Oh well its ok Radorn.

As long as you can post some pics if you dont mine?
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[00action]

Great looking level EA i cant wait to give this a go.
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[radorn]

Finally got arround taking those screenshots.
I was wrong in one thing, There's not that much moiree patterning...
instead of that, the textures go so muddy that it's as if there was a thick fog... but it's not fog

This is how this level looks when run on hardware
http://img837.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=tv2010100508424000.png (slideshow)
http://img837.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=tv2010100508424000.png (gallery)

by the way, I had to fix this for real hardware, as it didn't run just as is.
For anyone that cares about the compatibility of their hacks to run on a real N64, I'd suggest looking at this.
http://www.goldeneyevault.com/faq.php#1

[EternallyAries]

Well the only bad part is the green fog thank god.

So if i did that small faq to make it compatible for the backup wud you mind to take some more pics of the game Radorn?
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[radorn]

EternallyAries, I'm afraid you are not interpreting the pictures well.
There's not a fog problem, there's an aliasing problem.
Before trying I thought there would be massive moire patterning, kind of like what you can see in the pictures you posted, but harder.
Look at the brick wall pictures here to see what I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing

The problem is inherent to the textures you have used, I'm afraid.
They have very sharp detail and it's all very tightly packed; that is, every pixel contains very significative data and the pattern is repeated many times in a small "physical" area.

It might be solved with further hacking of the game's texture formats or their settings/arguments when applied to geometry, but that'd require changes in the editor and it's not guaranteed that this would be the solution.

EDIT: Adding an AR screenshot (tha is, a dump of the framebuffer)

[EternallyAries]

Ah man thats suck.

At least you can still play it on a backup.

Thanks for the info Radorn.
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[radorn]

and I add. At least it can be played on emulation most people are going to do that anyway xD